Rewilding

mickysf replied on 23/10/2019 16:11

Posted on 23/10/2019 16:11

Just been reading the latest RSPB magazine and in particular the article about Rewilding. Having read this it seems to me that the notions of Experiencing Freedom and Rewilding make good bed fellows for the future, particularly when considering the economic case as described in the article. I just wonder what other CTers think about the subject. Of interest to me was the £13 million pound injected into the economy of the German Hartz region with the increased tourism generated after the reintroduction of Lynx into the area. 54% of all visitors said that the Lynx were a significant factor in their choice of this area to visit.

Maybe, similar projects could impact equally in areas here in Great Britain. Any thoughts?

mickysf replied on 23/10/2019 17:40

Posted on 23/10/2019 17:34 by Fisherman
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Posted on 23/10/2019 17:40

I've no idea what this 'project' was advocating so can't comment. Would be interesting to know mind in order to weight up the advantages or disadvantages or the 'reasons' for the objections.  As far as wolves are concerned there would have to be an incredible amount of work to do, far more than that sum would achieve. Was it a case of jumping to the last possibility in order to stop the far more achievable and sensible from happening?

rayjsj replied on 23/10/2019 18:00

Posted on 23/10/2019 17:26 by mickysf

There is far, far more to the concept of Rewilding! It's not all about reintroduction of top preditors, let's put them aside for one moment. It's also about the reintroduction of habitats and 'lesser' species too. Some against such initiatives concentrate on the pinicle preditors which could occupy these suggested areas in order to raise objections to changes in land use. The reintroduction of water vole, brown trout, reptiles, amphibians or certain insects including butterflies etc. are overlooked as is the natural reintroduction of some species. Some against these project often belittled supporters calling then bunny or tree huggers. Has anyone every been attacked by a wild rabbit or aggressive oak tree? 

Posted on 23/10/2019 18:00

No but I have been threatened by a gang of Badger Baiters, who were attacking a sett near i live, Yes, I filmed them,  Wildlife Crime is never very far away. 

Government supporting Culling a protected species does NOT help.

White Tailed Eagles shot in West Highlands, Short Eared Owls and Hen Harriers shot over Grouse Moors. Lapwings and Skylarks minced to death on their nests because of intensive Dairy Farming and Sileage cutting. Polluting of rivers due to muck spreading, so much so, that some rivers in Mid Wales are effectively 'Dead'. 

Yes, the Whole of the UK needs 'Re Wilding'  including Mid and West Wales.

AND I am NOT a 'city dweller'.

JVB66 replied on 23/10/2019 18:15

Posted on 23/10/2019 18:15

When walking one of our collies in the Cotswolds a game keeper threatened us with dire consequences if we did not keep him on his lead,  as there was livestock in the fields, which as we told him we knew and his "livestock"were not fully matured  game birds who would be put up by beaters for the guns of the rich  the next weekend even though they would not have the strength or maturity to  gain enough height to stand a chance ,he then just drove  off on his quad bike as he could not give a reasoned replyyell

Ps We were on the public class five road that runs near the Notgrove club site to Salperton village,

Cornersteady replied on 23/10/2019 19:01

Posted on 23/10/2019 16:44 by ABM

Rewilding, Corners, involves the careful & controlled reintroduction of  species that have departed from certain areas, either by habitat reduction or hunting or similar.

The claim for introduction of lynx & wolves in the Scottish Highlands for instance is that they would, over time, reduce the numbers of Female deer to tolerable levels.  Hunters don't want females, they only want big stags and big displays of antlers. So no hunter will pay for the females tho' butchers might. Why the deer, well they are in big numbers and as such are changing the natural plant growth, to the detriment of capercaillie, grouse & mountain Hare for instance.

 

Seems reasonable  undecided  but they've a lot of folk to convince yet I think.

Posted on 23/10/2019 19:01

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Takethedogalong replied on 23/10/2019 20:23

Posted on 23/10/2019 20:23

Some great of you might recall how appalled we were driving the roads of North Yorkshire a couple of weeks ago, dead pheasants everywhere.

This is an interesting article about where some of the estates are, and the importation of chicks from overseas. They are called livestock initially, subject to tax schemes, then become “wild” birds upon release. Huge sums of money involved. It’s not uncommon for people to come across thousands of discarded carcasses dumped illegally after a shoot has taken place either. 

https://whoownsengland.org/2019/04/02/the-english-shooting-estates-that-rear-20-million-pheasants-a-year/

 

 

ABM replied on 23/10/2019 20:37

Posted on 23/10/2019 20:37

Corners, I didn't think my first sentence / paragraph was enough to engender such a reaction from the countryfolk did you ?? .  Honestly from an "Outsiders " point of viewas far as the thread goes was it so bad, really  ??

ABM replied on 23/10/2019 20:44

Posted on 23/10/2019 17:26 by mickysf

There is far, far more to the concept of Rewilding! It's not all about reintroduction of top preditors, let's put them aside for one moment. It's also about the reintroduction of habitats and 'lesser' species too. Some against such initiatives concentrate on the pinicle preditors which could occupy these suggested areas in order to raise objections to changes in land use. The reintroduction of water vole, brown trout, reptiles, amphibians or certain insects including butterflies etc. are overlooked as is the natural reintroduction of some species. Some against these project often belittled supporters calling then bunny or tree huggers. Has anyone every been attacked by a wild rabbit or aggressive oak tree? 

Posted on 23/10/2019 20:44

 Mickysf

  Please study my first reply to Corners Especially the first sentence.

Nowhere there did I mention Top predators or similar.

I only used wolves / lynx in Scotland as an example --  It could easily have been  brown trout in chalk streams or various butterflies over the Downs.

rayjsj replied on 24/10/2019 06:14

Posted on 23/10/2019 19:04 by mickysf

Posted on 24/10/2019 06:14

 Until the punishment starts to fit the crime, ie  Gamekeeper AND Shoot syndicate being severly punished, jail time and loss of Shotgun certificate for the Gamekeeper. AND  fines related to value of land owned by syndicate, say 10% of value.  This type of Wildlife  Crime will continue.

The loss of Shotgun Certificates for ALL syndicate members would probably hit harder. And be more effective.

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