Rewilding

mickysf replied on 23/10/2019 16:11

Posted on 23/10/2019 16:11

Just been reading the latest RSPB magazine and in particular the article about Rewilding. Having read this it seems to me that the notions of Experiencing Freedom and Rewilding make good bed fellows for the future, particularly when considering the economic case as described in the article. I just wonder what other CTers think about the subject. Of interest to me was the £13 million pound injected into the economy of the German Hartz region with the increased tourism generated after the reintroduction of Lynx into the area. 54% of all visitors said that the Lynx were a significant factor in their choice of this area to visit.

Maybe, similar projects could impact equally in areas here in Great Britain. Any thoughts?

mickysf replied on 24/10/2019 06:18

Posted on 23/10/2019 20:44 by ABM

 Mickysf

  Please study my first reply to Corners Especially the first sentence.

Nowhere there did I mention Top predators or similar.

I only used wolves / lynx in Scotland as an example --  It could easily have been  brown trout in chalk streams or various butterflies over the Downs.

Posted on 24/10/2019 06:18

I know you didn't! Careful observation will reveal that I attributed the reference to top preditors to no one other than the article in the OP. although others mention them! Our posts abut each other purely by synchronology, that's just how these things work something some fall foul of. In fact, I agree with the rest of your points completely.

EasyT replied on 24/10/2019 06:36

Posted on 23/10/2019 16:44 by ABM

Rewilding, Corners, involves the careful & controlled reintroduction of  species that have departed from certain areas, either by habitat reduction or hunting or similar.

The claim for introduction of lynx & wolves in the Scottish Highlands for instance is that they would, over time, reduce the numbers of Female deer to tolerable levels.  Hunters don't want females, they only want big stags and big displays of antlers. So no hunter will pay for the females tho' butchers might. Why the deer, well they are in big numbers and as such are changing the natural plant growth, to the detriment of capercaillie, grouse & mountain Hare for instance.

 

Seems reasonable  undecided  but they've a lot of folk to convince yet I think.

Posted on 24/10/2019 06:36

In my view if the wish to reduce the number of female deer for example they already have the top predators in the land. They are called mankind. 

Dorset Diver replied on 24/10/2019 07:12

Posted on 24/10/2019 06:36 by EasyT

In my view if the wish to reduce the number of female deer for example they already have the top predators in the land. They are called mankind. 

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:12

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EasyT replied on 24/10/2019 07:30

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:30

We humans may be the top predator but how would you suggest that we increase the number culled?  

I would have thought that as a country we could achieve if the desire was there. 

Fisherman replied on 24/10/2019 07:43

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:43

Yes humans are the top preditor now. Remember life and everything else has changed since wolves and bears etc roamed the land. As an example the huge rise in population and people living and working in the areas that were then wild. These fancy ideas have no place in modern life. Environmental enhancement yes and it is going on all over the UK.   Unfortunately armchair environmentalists have taken over the agenda with "save this and that". One issue terrorists and wanabe  lovies. It is much more complex and man needs to reach a balance but not get these ideas foisted on the local population, who usually have more knowledge than the pen pushers.

Dorset Diver replied on 24/10/2019 07:52

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:30 by EasyT

We humans may be the top predator but how would you suggest that we increase the number culled?  

I would have thought that as a country we could achieve if the desire was there. 

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:52

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Oneputt replied on 24/10/2019 07:58

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:58

The information I've seen estimates that there are between 2 and 4 million Muntjac's in the SE of England alone, which more that the whole population of them in China.  The main reason is we don't tend to eat Muntjac whereas the Chinese do.

 

mickysf replied on 24/10/2019 08:01

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:43 by Fisherman

Yes humans are the top preditor now. Remember life and everything else has changed since wolves and bears etc roamed the land. As an example the huge rise in population and people living and working in the areas that were then wild. These fancy ideas have no place in modern life. Environmental enhancement yes and it is going on all over the UK.   Unfortunately armchair environmentalists have taken over the agenda with "save this and that". One issue terrorists and wanabe  lovies. It is much more complex and man needs to reach a balance but not get these ideas foisted on the local population, who usually have more knowledge than the pen pushers.

Posted on 24/10/2019 08:01

Well that is one opinion, possibly an extreme one some may say. Not all Rewilding projects fit the description some have made. Not all environmentalist are as described. Using derogatory names and generalisations I'm afraid only cheapens discussions. Sad really because mankind really needs to acknowledge the part we play in balancing our impact on what in effect is a shared World, shared with life forms across the whole planet.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 24/10/2019 08:08

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:43 by Fisherman

Yes humans are the top preditor now. Remember life and everything else has changed since wolves and bears etc roamed the land. As an example the huge rise in population and people living and working in the areas that were then wild. These fancy ideas have no place in modern life. Environmental enhancement yes and it is going on all over the UK.   Unfortunately armchair environmentalists have taken over the agenda with "save this and that". One issue terrorists and wanabe  lovies. It is much more complex and man needs to reach a balance but not get these ideas foisted on the local population, who usually have more knowledge than the pen pushers.

Posted on 24/10/2019 08:08

If it wasn’t for the people you denigrate there would be no need for farmers, the balance needs striking, the world would be an empty place devoid of any life that couldn’t be exploited if the destroyers held sway. It’s always nice to have your happy positive self back on CT dispensing personal wisdom.

mickysf replied on 24/10/2019 08:15

Posted on 24/10/2019 07:58 by Oneputt

The information I've seen estimates that there are between 2 and 4 million Muntjac's in the SE of England alone, which more that the whole population of them in China.  The main reason is we don't tend to eat Muntjac whereas the Chinese do.

 

Posted on 24/10/2019 08:15

Well some advocate insects as a protein alternative. May be we should consider other environmentally advantageous sources more objectively.

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